diff --git a/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI.Tests/MenuDefinitionTests.prg b/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI.Tests/MenuDefinitionTests.prg
index 596127d823..555b548818 100644
--- a/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI.Tests/MenuDefinitionTests.prg
+++ b/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI.Tests/MenuDefinitionTests.prg
@@ -99,6 +99,64 @@ BEGIN NAMESPACE XSharp.VFP.UI.Tests
             END TRY
         END METHOD
 
+        // CNTBAR() is the highest bar number, not how many bars were defined
+        [Fact, Trait("Category", "MenuFunctions")];
+        METHOD CntBarReturnsTheHighestBarNumber AS VOID
+            DEFINE POPUP mdt_pop5
+            DEFINE BAR 1 OF mdt_pop5 PROMPT "\<Open"
+            DEFINE BAR 2 OF mdt_pop5 PROMPT "\-"
+            DEFINE BAR 5 OF mdt_pop5 PROMPT "Exit"
+            DEFINE POPUP mdt_pop6
+            DEFINE BAR 10 OF mdt_pop6 PROMPT "Ten"
+            DEFINE BAR 20 OF mdt_pop6 PROMPT "Twenty"
+            TRY
+                Assert.Equal(5, (INT) CNTBAR("mdt_pop5"))
+                Assert.Equal(5, (INT) CNTBAR("MDT_POP5"))
+                Assert.Equal(20, (INT) CNTBAR("mdt_pop6"))
+            FINALLY
+                RELEASE POPUPS mdt_pop5, mdt_pop6
+            END TRY
+        END METHOD
+
+        [Fact, Trait("Category", "MenuFunctions")];
+        METHOD CntBarCountsASeparatorAtTheEnd AS VOID
+            DEFINE POPUP mdt_pop7
+            DEFINE BAR 1 OF mdt_pop7 PROMPT "Open"
+            DEFINE BAR 2 OF mdt_pop7 PROMPT "Save"
+            DEFINE BAR 3 OF mdt_pop7 PROMPT "\-"
+            TRY
+                Assert.Equal(3, (INT) CNTBAR("mdt_pop7"))
+            FINALLY
+                RELEASE POPUPS mdt_pop7
+            END TRY
+        END METHOD
+
+        [Fact, Trait("Category", "MenuFunctions")];
+        METHOD CntBarIsZeroForAnEmptyOrUnknownPopup AS VOID
+            DEFINE POPUP mdt_pop8
+            TRY
+                Assert.Equal(0, (INT) CNTBAR("mdt_pop8"))
+                Assert.Equal(0, (INT) CNTBAR("nosuchpopup"))
+            FINALLY
+                RELEASE POPUPS mdt_pop8
+            END TRY
+        END METHOD
+
+        [Fact, Trait("Category", "MenuFunctions")];
+        METHOD CntPadReturnsTheNumberOfPads AS VOID
+            DEFINE MENU mdt_m4 BAR
+            TRY
+                Assert.Equal(0, (INT) CNTPAD("mdt_m4"))
+                DEFINE PAD mdt_p1 OF mdt_m4 PROMPT "\<File"
+                DEFINE PAD mdt_p2 OF mdt_m4 PROMPT "Edit"
+                Assert.Equal(2, (INT) CNTPAD("mdt_m4"))
+                Assert.Equal(2, (INT) CNTPAD("MDT_M4"))
+                Assert.Equal(0, (INT) CNTPAD("nosuchmenu"))
+            FINALLY
+                RELEASE MENUS mdt_m4
+            END TRY
+        END METHOD
+
         // BAR(), POPUP(), PAD() and MENU() describe the last selection, inside the
         // handler and after it. BAR() is the bar number from DEFINE BAR.
         [Fact, Trait("Category", "MenuFunctions")];
diff --git a/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI/MenuFunctions.prg b/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI/MenuFunctions.prg
index d94914adc5..510034dec1 100644
--- a/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI/MenuFunctions.prg
+++ b/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP.UI/MenuFunctions.prg
@@ -7,7 +7,8 @@
 // VFP-compatible menu information functions.
 // BAR(), PAD(), POPUP(), MENU() read from MenuState, which Bar.OnVFPClick
 // populates before dispatching each handler.
-// MRKBAR/MRKPAD/PRMBAR/PRMPAD look up the named registry on Popup/Menu.
+// MRKBAR/MRKPAD/PRMBAR/PRMPAD and CNTBAR/CNTPAD look up the named registry
+// on Popup/Menu.
 
 USING XSharp.VFP.UI
 
@@ -103,6 +104,47 @@ FUNCTION PRMPAD( cMenuName AS STRING, cPadName AS STRING ) AS STRING
 	ENDIF
 	RETURN ""
 
+/// <summary>
+/// Returns the number of bars of a popup. VFP reports the highest bar number given in
+/// DEFINE BAR, so a separator and a gap in the numbering count as well.
+/// Returns 0 for an empty or unknown popup.
+/// <paramref name="cPopupName"/> — name of the Popup.
+/// </summary>
+[FoxProFunction("CNTBAR", FoxFunctionCategory.UIAndWindow, FoxEngine.UI, FoxFunctionStatus.Full, FoxCriticality.Medium)];
+FUNCTION CNTBAR( cPopupName AS STRING ) AS INT
+	LOCAL nCount := 0 AS INT
+	IF String.IsNullOrEmpty( cPopupName )
+		RETURN 0
+	ENDIF
+	// the separators are items of the popup but not Bar objects, so go through the items
+	IF __VFPFindPopupContainer( cPopupName ) IS System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip VAR oStrip
+		LOCAL i AS INT
+		FOR i := 0 TO oStrip:Items:Count - 1
+			LOCAL nNumber AS INT
+			// a bar created from code without a numeric name counts by its position
+			IF ! Int32.TryParse( oStrip:Items[i]:Name, OUT nNumber )
+				nNumber := i + 1
+			ENDIF
+			nCount := Math.Max( nCount, nNumber )
+		NEXT
+	ENDIF
+	RETURN nCount
+
+/// <summary>
+/// Returns the number of pads of a menu. Returns 0 for an empty or unknown menu.
+/// <paramref name="cMenuName"/> — name of the Menu.
+/// </summary>
+[FoxProFunction("CNTPAD", FoxFunctionCategory.UIAndWindow, FoxEngine.UI, FoxFunctionStatus.Full, FoxCriticality.Medium)];
+FUNCTION CNTPAD( cMenuName AS STRING ) AS INT
+	IF String.IsNullOrEmpty( cMenuName )
+		RETURN 0
+	ENDIF
+	LOCAL oMenu := Menu.Find( cMenuName ) AS Menu
+	IF oMenu != NULL
+		RETURN oMenu:PadCount
+	ENDIF
+	RETURN 0
+
 
 /// <summary>The prompt of a bar or pad the way PRMBAR() and PRMPAD() report it.</summary>
 INTERNAL STATIC CLASS MenuPrompt
diff --git a/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP/UI/UIAndWindows.prg b/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP/UI/UIAndWindows.prg
index 82505cdbae..1336822ef1 100644
--- a/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP/UI/UIAndWindows.prg
+++ b/src/Runtime/XSharp.VFP/UI/UIAndWindows.prg
@@ -4,16 +4,6 @@
 // See License.txt in the project root for license information.
 //
 
-/// <include file="VfpRuntimeDocs.xml" path="Runtimefunctions/cntbar/*" />
-[FoxProFunction("CNTBAR", FoxFunctionCategory.UIAndWindow, FoxEngine.UI, FoxFunctionStatus.Stub, FoxCriticality.Medium)];
-FUNCTION CntBar(cPopupName AS STRING) AS INT
-    THROW NotImplementedException{}
-
-/// <include file="VfpRuntimeDocs.xml" path="Runtimefunctions/cntpad/*" />
-[FoxProFunction("CNTPAD", FoxFunctionCategory.UIAndWindow, FoxEngine.UI, FoxFunctionStatus.Stub, FoxCriticality.Medium)];
-FUNCTION CntPad(cMenuName AS STRING) AS INT
-    THROW NotImplementedException{}
-
 /// <include file="VfpRuntimeDocs.xml" path="Runtimefunctions/col/*" />
 [FoxProFunction("COL", FoxFunctionCategory.UIAndWindow, FoxEngine.UI, FoxFunctionStatus.Full, FoxCriticality.Medium)];
 FUNCTION Col() AS INT